Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films about Martin Luther

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge content that is appropriate and then redirect. Until (1 == 2) 21:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of films about Martin Luther

Short, essentially content-less list of films/documentaries on Martin Luther/Anne Frank/Muhammed. Such a list could be created, quite literally, on all famous personalities. Good example Wikipedia is not a directory. Bulldog123 02:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note the other articles found at special:prefixindex/List of films about, particularly the other people-based lists, List of films about Anne Frank and List of films about Muhammad. Should all of those be deleted too? Picaroon (Talk) 02:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Bulldog123 02:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note The idea was to merge in the first place. Bulldog123 16:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I know the Martin Luther article is kinda long, but wouldn't this fit better in there? Corpx 02:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Martin Luther, where it was originally seperated from. There was no need to create a seperate article as it's only eight films and wouldn't have made any difference in the original article. The other biographical lists mentioned should also be merged to their main articles. The non-autobiographical lists should all be deleted (and many of them have been deleted recently). Masaruemoto 02:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Could you link to some of those deletion debates please? I must have missed them. Picaroon (Talk) 02:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you must have missed them. Here are some I can remember;

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films about disability

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films about school

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films about trains

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films about time travel. Masaruemoto 03:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Keep Deletion is not a good option. Dfrg.msc 04:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge each list to the article about the person in question, per nom and per precedent. --Icarus ^(Hi!) 05:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. I don't think we want to delete these, but some of the information could be put into the articles about Martin Luther, Anne Frank, and Muhammad. Useight 07:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge This is by no means trivial information whatsoever; if the lists are short enough, they can be merged back into the parent biography, but for longer lists it would make sense to spin off and expand. Chubbles 17:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the lists about Luther and Muhammad, merge the list about Anne Frank with The Diary of a Young Girl because all the films are adaptations of that book "films about" have the inherent problems: how "about" the subject must a film be and who tells us that its at least that much? That said, anything important to the biographies of Luther and Muhammad should be in their biographies, they are not notable for being portrayed in films, but anything significant and sourced that adds to the bio can go there. Anne Frank's list is different, all the films are essentially adaptations of her diary, and we normally have a section about film adaptations in our articles about books, the diary of Anne Frank should not differ from that. Carlossuarez46 18:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Martin Luther. Seperate article is not necessary. Giggy _U^CP 00:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the main articles in question --JForget 15:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge I agree with Chubbles in sayng that This is by no means trivial information whatsoever; if the lists are short enough, they can be merged back into the parent biography, but for longer lists it would make sense to spin off and expand. Robert C Prenic 16:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(For Martin Luther article) - Rename as Martin Luther (film). I thought I remembered seeing this page, but I can't see to find it again. THe fact is, most of this films are titled "Martin Luther", and a dab page would be needed anyway to sort them if articles were made for them. Pastordavid
- There it is: Merge with Luther (film) and Rename as Martin Luther (film).Pastordavid 15:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Alterantely, Merge to something like Cultural depictions of Martin Luther, following the precedent of Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which could also include appearances in other forms of fiction, music, paintings and sculpture, and the like. John Carter 15:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps with something like this, and calling it Martin Luther in film and television or Martin Luther (film and television. Pastordavid 16:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I have re-written the article, pulling together both television and film, with an eye toward retaining the article and renaming as descibed above. Pastordavid 19:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep. This article was created in the spirit of Summary style, in an attempt to reduce the size of the main article. Most of the work to reduce its size has been undone recently, but efforts will one day be taken to spin off articles again. While I'm open to moving or renaming the article, I believe it necessary to keep it separate. As far as rationale: Luther is one of the most portrayed religious historical figures next to Jesus of Nazareth. He is also one of the most written about figures. To fold all these back into the main article would mean expanding it to pages of material in bibliography alone. How do I know this? It was this way before the spin off. --CTSWyneken 20:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.